Si 3000 € dont LZ parle est net mensuel, cela égale 48K brut annuel à peu près.
c'est quand même pas un salaire pour un programmeur débutant
Compte tenu d'une année d'expérience que LZ a, c'est vraiment pas mal,
bien sur, Supelec est une école d'ingénieur bien cotée.
Je déconseille à LZ d'abandonner le poste actuel en France pour un contrat local de 200K RMB à Beijing où le niveau de consommation est aussi très élevé actuellement, surtout si l'offre en chine est purement technique. Le marché chinois est plein de mains d'oeuvres techniques à coût bas. La concurrence y est très rude et ton avenir n'y sera pas doré comme tu penses.
Qui plus est, avec ton CDI français, tu ne t’inquiètes pas si tu tombes malade, les soins seront pris en charge par la sécu et la mutuelle. Mais en chine, tu te débrouilleras toi même, bien sur avec tes salaires.
Si LZ rêve vraiment de retourner en chine pour des raisons professionnelles, une année d'expériences ne suffit pas.
Tu ferais mieux de t'orienter vers un poste en management dès maintenant, et d'accumuler quelques années de plus d'expérience en France pour pourvoir décrocher si possible un contrat d'expatriation ou de détachement (c'est pas évident maintenant, mais ce n'est pas une mission impossible non plus). ou du moins un contrat local mais à un salaire équivalent même plus que celui de la France.
It is very interesting, your post and the following discussions! All my thanks to you all! I'd like to invite you to look this issue in another way.
I strongly recommand you to continue to work in France for another several years. It is really too early to go back to China with the few experience, not only professionally, but also socially and especially CULTURALLY.
To be brief, China has already accumulated enough the economic power after 30 years' developpment, so now as my French friends tell me, we need more of the "soft" power than more of the money. And the key of this "soft power" is your "cultural added value".
Maybe you've got a good diploma from one prestigious engineering school, maybe you've got a good job in a big company, but are you ready to tell me the difference between the Bordeaux and the Bourgogne, for exemple? How much do you know about the France?
The ones who have the vision to see what is going on in the following 20 years will win in the future, please jump out of the "trap" of the "salary" imposed by the capitalistes and never be "the mouse in the endless race in the labyrinthe'' as described by Robert Chingqi.
Enjoy your life and try to enjoy the cultural things in France, there is much more than what you thought. Life is short, there is not only salary in our lives. and if I say this to you, because you have already a good salary in France to enjoy all this, the most of the chinese students can't do this and I will not talk about this to them!
原帖由 liuhaifan 于 2008-6-25 22:35 发表
It is very interesting, your post and the following discussions! All my thanks to you all! I'd like to invite you to look this issue in another way.
I strongly recommand you to continue to work in Fr ...
Finally, here comes the long-waiting point of view from an anti-capitalist, who gives practical advices with an academic attitude in a romantic( if not utopic ) tone.
The only thing not said, is which country, France or China, is more capitalist and cultureless. ;-)
Well done for having quoted Robert Chingqi as saying "never be the mouse in the endless race in the labyrinth". A real capitalist, I’m not saying I’m one of them, would like to cite something from Darwin to prove or just attempt to prove in vain the contrary, but well...
Now the discussions become slightly more interesting, especially given another recent post from that guy, the one claimed that the eastern imaginary respect makes no sense unless otherwise being materialized as something tangible and concrete, say, money.
It’s not rare to see one capitalist and one communist gives totally contrary advices. For this time, as if a communist would prefer to stay in France and a capitalist can’t wait rushing back to China. Well, to make things more complicated, I would say personally I’m kinda capitalist but I also would like to give the advice to stay, for all these aforementioned reasons.
Actually I quite agree with this anti-capitalist about the importance of having a long-term perspective, 20 year ahead or whatsoever. However, with the same conclusion, the vision itself might not necessarily be exactly the same.
To pretend to be a real capitalist, without intention to offend this anti-captialist guy, I would say that not everybody would give a sh?t about these cultural stuff, all these cultural things, the social relationship, even the romanticism itself, might be mere illusions. And finally what’s not an illusion, what won’t change after 20 years, 200 years or 2000 years, is the importance of the competence, the competitive competence and the collaborative competence. Being a technical expert gives you a good position more of the competitive competence, whereas being a manager might gives you a good position more of the collaborative competence, both are useful and they are complementary, it's just a question of having 80% collaborative competence and 20% competitive competence, or the inverse. This applies to a person, a group, a country, a specie, as well as a planet. ( Well, you guess right, I'm kinda Darwinist ^_^ )
As long as the human nature remains the same, as long as the communism remains always a beautiful dream, what you should, could and have to do is simply one thing – improving your competence, the right competence, in a hope to win a better position("than others" as an obvious implication, unfortunately and sadly to admit...). In this sense, I see the current Chinese relational competence as a false and temporary even negative competence. So it’s a pity to bet merely on this, to rush back into such an immature, irregular and distorted environment/society, to give up really useful competence. What’s really useful competence, I could say, the technical competence as a technical expert, the relational competence as a efficient technical manager. This anti-capitalist would say, the cultural competence…
Well, shame on me of not knowing what are the real differences between these two French cities after having been staying here for so long …
I should have cultualized myself more. ;-)
