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实用信息 柴油车 Vs 汽油车 (原创)欢迎大家来讨论

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柴油车脏些,汽油干净些,哈哈。
2009-2-16 23:24:25

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就是给发动机大量的工况进行试验标定,定出该工况的喷油量、点火提前角等重要的控制量。见89楼
william.yusong 发表于 2009-2-16 23:06

就是预先把测试的结果存储在ECU里面对吗?

如果是这样的的话还是开环设计的。
2009-2-16 23:30:14

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税收马力主要是根据车子的马力、排放、车的安全性(包括自身的安全和他人的安全)和一些细节综合定义的,具体是很复杂的。
2009-2-16 23:32:16

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好像sdi有类似汽油机节气门的东西,等我上网查查,其实这个喷油量的话,我认为是行车电脑根据综合的采集数据做出的,油门是一个环节,其实空气流量计是一个检测的工具,如果空滤堵啦,或者进气道阻碍,就会给电脑一 ...
le_tt 发表于 2009-2-16 23:18

柴油机是有这种特殊设计,不过我也不清楚为啥加这个,甚至有些turbo也会设计这样的throttle,为了在不需要那么大的增压比的情况下减少turbo的气流量
2009-2-16 23:33:49

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恩,你说得也有道理,我对这个研究不多,而且极有可能,因为bosch做的东西,德国人做的,特别喜欢单片机这种预设的
2009-2-16 23:45:55

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就是预先把测试的结果存储在ECU里面对吗?

如果是这样的的话还是开环设计的。
tintin在法国 发表于 2009-2-16 23:30

对的,不过实际行车当中会加入大气温度、压力,冷却水温等传感器信号的修正值,组成最终的输出值
2009-2-16 23:46:34

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税收马力主要是根据车子的马力、排放、车的安全性(包括自身的安全和他人的安全)和一些细节综合定义的,具体是很复杂的。
tintin在法国 发表于 2009-2-16 23:32

原来如此,谢谢tintin大哥,长知识啦!
2009-2-16 23:47:13

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对的,不过实际行车当中会加入大气温度、压力,冷却水温等传感器信号的修正值,组成最终的输出值
william.yusong 发表于 2009-2-16 23:46

即时这样也是开环的对吗?
2009-2-16 23:47:49

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即时这样也是开环的对吗?
tintin在法国 发表于 2009-2-16 23:47

应该是,因为我印象中记得闭环是指对控制量(也就是输出值)引入反馈控制。自动控制我也是4年前学的啦,现在基本都还给老师啦,因为目前为止还没搞过控制一类的东西
2009-2-16 23:50:14

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每天到此贴烧柱香,学点习。。。(rf14rf)
2009-2-17 23:35:09

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本帖最后由 ilovestan 于 2009-2-18 15:40 编辑

52# william.yusong


It's so nice to see technical stuff here. Sorry I can't type chinese on this computer and I know only little french...

In diesel combustion mode, NOx is only formed in the periphery of the jet flame where the flame is stoichiometric. Temperature dominates the reaction rate of  the Zeldovic NOx mechanism, and gasoline combustion temperature is higher than diesel one so it generates even higher raw NOx emissions. But gasoline engine can make use of TWC so NOx is not a problem.

For diesel engine to meet EU5 NOx restriction, EGR is enough for light duty cars. But still new technology such as SCR like Bluetec of Mercedes which uses ammonia, for example human urine, to eliminate the NOx. But this kind of SCR is usually hard to mounted on light duty cars since the lower exhaust temperature, compared to high duty trucks, require state of art thermal management to operate SCR efficiently. Maybe some day you can piss into your car's fuel tank to help the emissions.

About GDI, the efficiency is higher but will cause the same particulate problems like diesel engines. The TWC needs to be well taken care of and at high load combustion stability is a great difficulty too.

About biofuels, just like you said, we can't always grow crops to meet the requirement. So there is a second generation of biofuels come from wood, pardon me can't remember the tricky chemical names. The basic idea is to develop a fast growing cycle trees to make fuels. For current moment of enthanol based biofuels, a sentence is often mentioned which I think interesting, "Drink the best, Burn the rest!"

You are right about the pollutant generated from other industry like chemistry industry. But the major problem for automotive is that this kind of transportational pollutants is hard to control since it is everywhere. The amount is smaller but doesn't mean we should ignore it.

I am doing a master study in ENSPM (Ecole Nationale Superieure du Petrole et des Moteurs) but more focus on combustion and fluid stuff so I have little knowledge on engine control... I consider buying a car too but I don't have the need to drive to school and the transportation in Paris is really hard for me...
2009-2-18 15:38:52

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强贴,学习了。
2009-2-18 20:07:46

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这几天比较忙,来不及关注这帖子啦,大家继续讨论,欢迎更多朋友加入讨论,不管有什么问题都可以提出来讨论,我相信集众人之长,必能解决大家的疑问,而且可以知识互补,十分有益!

欢迎116楼 ilovestan 的加入,专业级的回帖,Merci!
2009-2-19 10:40:09

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