Mine Paris,Centrale Paris=9+9
Mine Nancy,Nante,Saint-etienne =GEM
Central lyon,Nante,Lille=4+4
ESIEE=n+i (most students choose n+i only beacause they want to enter supelec ,ensam or sometimes telecom bretagne,)
I do not agree with you that Centrale lyon,Nante,Lille=ESIEE, Mine Nancy, Nante,Saint-etienne<ESIEE, although I think that ESIEE is a engineering school with a level "not too bad"
Now, I am in the company, I can not type chinese, thank you.
2nd tier strategy consulting company=Rolanbeger, bearingpoint ................
For entering these companies,supelec ensae, telecom-paris is the limit,limit and limit, and Texas Instrument, even students from esiee or even worse can enter this company. So, I can say that 2nd tier strategy consulting>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Texas Instrument
How funny it is?
Have you even seen the classement of l'étudiant, the engineering school in France is really a hierarchic system, unlike that of England or Germany or US. When I receive the result of N+i admission result, I regretted that I was not accepted by Supelec. Between N7 and ESIEE,I choose ESIEE although I think N7 is better than ESIEE. The most reason why I choose ESIEE is not beacause it is a good ecole but it is located in Paris. Both "N7" and "ESIEE" for me at that moment is a terrible choice with N7 is "un peu merde" and ESIEE "merde".I think between "ecoles de merde" there is no real gap.
But centrales(except Marseille),mine saint-etienne nancy and telecom bretagne(on the head of liste of group A ) ,in the mind of normal French people, they are considered as "good school" with these ecoles in group A+ is "top school". But "top school" and "good school" mean a formation of glorious .
OK, ESIEE in all the classement, it is in the middle of group B. Do you not what means group B? Following the classement, there is 5 groupe. A+,A,B,C,D. A+ is the most glorious schools, and in the group A there are ecoles with different level (ENPCI is in group paristech, centrale lyon nante is the most strong ecole of province) these ecole is the level of "good school", ecoles like "N7, telecom sud-paris" is the level of "middle level school". Group B means " normal schools" and C,D means "Rubbish school".
But with a level of group B, hei,hei.when I say "what do you think of our school" in Thales with my collegue. The response is like that "I do not know your ecole, but I think it is a good school". How strange it is, "it is a good school "is just a way of politiic correct.
You can say there are students in ESIEE telecom who can enter Orange to do the internship. But if the case is 1% of ESIEE can do internship in Orange and 60% of students from centrale lyon can do internship in Orange. Can you say ESIEE is with the same level of Centrale lyon?
"ESIEE" is not a bad school, but it is far away from the tip"good school". And most students who have graduated from this school work in the sector SSII. SSII is far away from the tip "good job". And in France there is a difference between 5 years engineering and 3 years engineering schools. Most french believe that generally 3 years schools is better than 5 years schools. For exemple Insa lyon is in group A+ in the classement, but for most French, it is only a school of "middle level" beacause it is a a schools of 5 years. And ESIEE, hei,hei, even compared with insa lyon, with a level of group B, there is real gap.
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