Willie12345
Moving jobs overseas, Chinese spying, failure to support American based companies, etc. All of these actions have resulted in our decline. Now is the time to show some resolve and stop this decaying of our country.
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nyma11
I dont prentend to be an expert in aviation, although i am a licensed Civil pilot. I was under the impression that a stealth aircraft could have no angles, In other words it must be rounded on ALL sections to scatter the radar pings.
This aircraft in no way looks stealthly. it has right angles in some sections. unless this is made with some sort of radar absorbing material. it isnt stealth.
Anyone agree?
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我无意冒充航空专家，尽管我是一名持有执照的民航飞行员。我感觉隐形飞机必须没有棱角，换句话说，所有的零部件必须是圆的，以分散消解雷达反射。这架战机咋看都不像隐形的。它有好多带尖角的部件。除非它是由某种可吸收雷达反射的材料。它不是隐形的。
johnbabiar
You impression is amazing!
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你的感觉真神奇！
CCS7
Gates should not be concerned about the progress of anti-ship cruise and ballistic missile or stealth fighter developments by China. He should be more concerned about the US economy which is on life support. With official unemployment close to 10% (unofficial estimates up to 16% if include those who gave up looking for a job). More people are lining the streets for food stamps while 1 in 7 American live below official poverty level according to 2009 census.
He should be concerned that Obama has lost the House to the Republicans. So QE3 would not be any easier. So instead of keeping up appearances, he should be worried about money not being wired out of Washington to prop up the vanity of the military empire that he has oversight.
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盖茨不应该担心中国的反舰巡航导弹和弹道导弹或者隐形飞机，他应担心的是维系众生的美国经济。官方公布的失业率接近10%（非官方估测，如果算上那些放弃寻找工作的人，这一数字接近16%）。更多的人在街头游荡等待食物。据2009年的统计，每7个美国人里就有一个在官方公布的贫困线下挣扎。
他应当担心奥巴马已经把国会输给了共和党。所以，QE3不会那么容易，所以，别再只顾表面风光了，他应当担心华盛顿不再花钱资助他那自负、空虚的军事帝国了。
rickshawboi
Financiers of US high tech corps pursue quick profits
with H1B, which (1) lowers US high tech salaries, (2)
puts US citizens under pressure at work (3) allows
H1B's to send US salaries back home + hight tech
info from work in nightly emails (4) drives US citizens from high tech (5) puts US soldiers at risk to face US
grown technology aginst them in the future...
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美国科技公司的金融家们依靠临时工作签证追求快速获利。这些人（1）降低美国高科技企业的薪资（2）让美国公民工作压力陡增；（3）允许技术移民向家中寄美国薪水，每天晚上都通过邮件把工作中获取的高科技信息发回国（4）把美国公民从高科技行业驱离（5）让美国士兵在未来处于面对敌国用美国科技对付他们的风险。
Willie12345
Well said. Plus Us Universities educate large numbers of non-citizens, who go back home and compete with us. Don't believe me ?? Just attend a few grad classes in engineering.and see what I mean.
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说得好，美国大学教了大量非美国公民，他们回国后就成了我们的竞争者。别不相信我，去一些工程学的毕业班，你就明白了。
Casan
Wow, Americans must have some serious phobia (or insecurity) against the technological progress of others or what?. CNN has changed the headline of this same story so many times, obviously an indication that the story is drawing in eye balls.
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哇，美国一定在科技或其他方面感到恐惧和不安了。CNN已经对这个同样的故事换了不少标题了。很显然，这种故事的暗示是能够吸引眼球的。
rickshawboi
Thanks to US's years old H1B program for training, design methods, design tools and USB thumb drives, for H1B Chinese and Indian engineers to scavenge, upload to thumbdrives at work and at their US apartments, condos at high $ US salary expense, email home or SALE US tech data. Yeah, thanks to H1B, China has a stealth bomber
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感谢美国多年来的老掉牙的临时工作签证训练项目，设计技术，设计工具和USB拇指驱动，让中国、印度工程师来淘食，在美国公寓和工作中大肆下载，拿着美国的高薪，把美国科技资料邮回国或出售，感谢临时工作签证，中国有了隐形轰炸机。
johnbabiar
And without Indian and Chinese H1Bs, the dumb US engineers would've had accomplished nothing at the first place. That is why we give out H1B, moron. The first ever Boeing plane was designed by a Chinese engineer, if you read a little bit of Boeing history.
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没有印度和中国的临时工作签证，愚蠢的美国工程师从不会完成第一阶段的任何事。这也是为神马我们给他们临时工作签证的原因。蠢才！第一架波音飞机就是一位中国工程师设计的，如果你读过一点波音历史的话。
xineast
Obviously, Chinese have grown up enough to understand that you cannot defend yourselves with Kung Fu.
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很显然，中国已经足够成熟了，他知道自己不能光靠“功夫”来保卫自己。
AlGore2012
This is good news... more competition drives better designs and fuels research and development. This will have a positive ripple effect in the US economy for years to come.
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这是一条好新闻，更多的竞争将带来更好的设计、燃料研究和发展。这将对美国新一年的经济产生积极影响。
Godebole2000
I do not understand the rational behind this article! If China makes new weapons it is a matter of major concern. However, if the US makes weapons it is alright as no one says anything. But if China makes new weapons then the US and all the NATO countries start getting worried. This is non-sense. Look who is making use of weapons and are engaged in wars for the last three decades? Not China, but the US and its allies. So if China says its new weapons is not a threat to any country they seriously mean it. But if US says its new weapons are not a threat I will certainly not believe it because they will use it in the next war they wage on countries not capable of defending itself. So look who is talking. US should practice what you preach and should not try to focus on countries who have not directly engaged in war for more more than four decades.
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我实在不理解这篇文章的逻辑。中国制造了新武器，就需要表示重大关切。但如果是美国制造了武器，就屁事都没有，没人会说什么。但如果是中国制造了新武器，美国和所有北约国家都开始担心。这都是废话。看看过去30年是谁在制造武器并用于战争。不是中国，而是美国及其盟国。但如果美国说他的新武器不是威胁，我当然不信。因为他们转身就会在下一场战争中对那些无力防御的国家使用。美国应该践行自己的说教，别老盯着那些40多年来都没有直接参与战争的国家。
recepivedik China and Russia are rising up, USA is wasting American Taxes in Muslim War for israel
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中俄在崛起，美国却在浪费纳税人的钱，为了（保护）以色列陷入MSL战争。
beijinger1
new weapon not meant to pose a threat...for now.
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新武器不会构成威胁……只是现在。
effit
i'd bet money the US already has detection capabilities for stealth technology; remember stealth is 70's technology, so China is still far behind...
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我敢打赌美国早已侦悉（中国的）隐形科技能力，要知道隐形是（美国）70年代的技术，所以，中国差得还远。
Muslimslol0
Yes showing off a fighter plane isnt a threat.
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是的，那架战机不是威胁，只是炫耀。
markjsmith
If I make a tennis shoe I can expect no one will see that as a threat.If I make a anti-aircraft carrier missile and stealth fighters and misrepresent military spending by at least a half and create a great number of submarines outside that are required for a defense posture ...
如果我只是制造了一只网球鞋，我想没人会说那是个威胁。如果我制造出反航母导弹、隐形战斗机，瞒报至少一半军费，制造大量潜艇还说那只是为了防御……【不，现在中国就算是造卫生纸你们也说这威胁到了美国的就业岗位……】
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LeeMinChul
Americans can only think in terms of war. China kicking Google out of their market probably did more damage to America than this plane ever will.
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美国人只会从战争角度考虑问题。中国把google踢出市场可能对美国的伤害比这架战机更严重。
effit
although you make a good point, you fail to realize that the US has treaties (regardless of whether one agrees with them or not) to defend Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. therefore, being the "defender" rather than "defendee" they do need to look at things "in terms of war."
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你算是说到点子上了，但你忘了美国和韩国、日本、台湾缔约提供防务。因此，作为一个保护者而非被保护者，他们必须从战争角度考虑问题。
yukiliuhao
unfortuantely ,the J-20 just took off sucessfully 1mins ago~ the world is shaking right now
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很不幸，J20一分钟前成功起飞了。世界震精鸟。
Mechatronics
This thing isn't even capable of flying.
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这玩意儿压根飞不起来。
warsetone
just went up in the air a couple hours ago..
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2小时前就翱翔长空了。
JohnLeB888
How to get the F-22 continuing funding.. I would never discount the PRC military capability.. that's the biggest mistake anyone could make....
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咋能弄到F22的长期债券？我再也不会低估中国军队的实力了，这是我们所犯的最大的错误……
Oblomov
One thing learned in Vietnam: never underestimate your enemy. Not that China is our enemy. Hopefully our countries can remain friendly and open toward one another. But, you know, don't discount them as some third world pit of hell.
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我从越战那里学到的一点是：永远不要低估你的敌人。不是说中国是我们的敌人。希望我们的国家对他们保持友好、敞开怀抱。但是，你知道，千万别把他们和那些第三世界地狱里的洼地国家混为一谈。
WhartonPhily
It's quite interesting that military/US-China/3rd-world-war articles seem to attract the most attention on CNN, with close to 400 comments already. Perhaps we should have another big war cuz I can feel that a lot of readers are getting quite anxious and restless...
Just imagine an army of CNN readers typing their away their comments with pitchforks and machine guns in their hands. When we see an article that irritates us (anything to do with China, lead paint, communism, more China, communist China's stealth planes, etc.), we'd all post our ferocious comments and then start shooting away like crazy until the old lady next door starts acting jittery, calls the cops, and the national guard arrives on our door step. How lovely.
设想一下，一支CNN读者组成的军队手持干草叉和枪*支，以评论开道一马当先……只要看到那些让我们不爽的文章（任何有关中国的、领先涂层、共产主义、更多中国、共产中国的隐形战机，等等），我们就集体发飙喷出凶猛的评论，然后像疯了一样开火，直到隔壁的老女人抓狂，报警，然后，国民警卫队来敲门，真欢乐啊。。。。。
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buzzcook
@windbourne - I hear your concern though I'd still rate China along with India. Indian got together with Russia and had discussions with China about building one together but they went alone. People in aviation circles were talking about India and China working on a 5th gen as early as 2007/8. Patriot2011 is right the US is still far ahead and when I look behind at the moment it is still Russia in the air and space. less
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楼上的@windbourne-我听到你的担心了。但我还是认为中国和印度的发展速度差不多。印度曾和俄罗斯、中国讨论共同搞第五代战机，但最终是中国自力更生了。航空圈的人曾认为印度和中国早在2007-2008年就开始搞第五代战机了。美国搞爱国者2011是对的。美国至今遥遥领先，而俄罗斯在空、天领域仍然大幅落后【靠，前言不搭后语，这都是神马思维逻辑嘛￥#··！2·#··@——柴不胡注】
buzzcook
@ShovelingSnw - sorry i meant Russia jointly with India and Russia jointly with China though the Russia/India went ahead while China went alone. Also I meant China and India developing 5th gens independantly
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楼上的@ShovelingSnw，抱歉，我的意思是，俄罗斯联手印度、俄罗斯联手中国，但在中国自力更生时，俄印领先了。我指的还有印度、中国都在独立研发第五代战机。。。。。【唉！这悲催的哥们还是一脑子糨糊——柴不胡注】
ShovelingSnw
China and India aren't going to jointly develop anything anymore than China and the US would.
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中国和印度不会联手发展任何超出中美能搞的东东。。。。
Tito614
Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that no country really needs to exactly match the US in technological sophistication and military technology. All you need is sufficient technology to hit back and hard. PERIOD. Why should anyone spend so much on tanks and planes and aircraft carriers? The ONLY saving grace for the US is that countries like Russia and China haven't thought to supply the Afghans and Iraqis with 3 things - surface-to-air missiles, anti-tank missiles and anti-personnel/ anti-tank mines. Armed with these and their Kalashnikovs, the insurgents in those two countries would stop the US armed with all their forces "superior technology" DEAD in their tracks.
伊拉克和阿富汗战争表明，没有哪个国家真的需要和美国在军事科技领域开展竞赛？你所需要的只是以足够的科技强硬回击？
为啥我们在坦克、飞机和航母上大把烧钱呢？因为美国在阿富汗和伊拉克仅存的那点风度是拜中俄所赐，他们没有向那两个国家提供地空导弹、反坦克导弹、杀伤性反坦克地雷。有了这些武器，两国的叛乱分子就足以阻止美军，让他们和那些领先科技武器就死定了。
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esreddy3
Latest russian mig would be a good example of russian air superiority.
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最新款俄制米格原来不就是俄罗斯空军领先的样板嘛。
nyvrem
HAVE people not woken up yet to the fact that this world is so over populated.People are consuming more food and resources than the earth can manage.Look at your public transport, traffic jams,over crowding shopping centers and hospitals, There has to be major wars to cut down the population other wise 16 people will be sharing a 2 bedroom flat or house. Massive over crowding trains and buses and ferries, I have once went to catch a train early in the morning and people were that jammed packed that the doors could not even open properly,All this talk about peace between countries is only producing more lives to be born. The ratio between death and life is 4 to 1 :::: 4 are born while 1 dies every second around the world. You may think im being a bit weird here but follow each day as it goes along and tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every where. less
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人们还没睡醒，没认识到这个世界人口过度。人们消费了太多的食物和资源，地球已经无法满足需求。看看你们的公共交通、交通拥挤、人头攒动的购物中心和医院，的确需要一场大战来削减写人口，否则只能16个人住在2居室。人满为患的火车、公共汽车和轮渡，我有一次大清早赶火车，人挤得车门都关不上。所有这些关于和平共处的高论只有一个结果：更多生育。现在，出生、死亡比率是4：1，全世界每秒钟生4个才死1个。
你也许认为我在这儿的话有点离经叛道，但就这样一天天这么过下去，告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧。
esreddy3
"..... tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every were"... that would include you. Why hope and pray for a war that might or might not happen and sacrifice others lives. You are one extra person in the same population that frustrates you, easier solution, take yourself's out. Problem solved.
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“告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧……”那些人里也包括你。为什么希望、祈祷那些有的没的战争，牺牲其他人的性命。你自己也是那个让你沮丧的多余人口，很简单，把你自己剔出去。不就结了。
JuicyJaymes
Don't be fooled people this plane is just a shell. China never misses a chance at propaganda. If they had any confidence we would see images of this thing in the air, and it wouldn't be taken by someones flip phone.
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别傻了。那飞机只是个壳。中国从不放弃吹牛的机会。如果他们真的有信心，我们早就看到这玩意儿在飞了，而不只是在某些人的失去理性判断的电话里。
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Yongli 1 minute ago Report Abuse
This was a real news: One Chinese engineer visited US about 10 years ago and bought a F22 from daller tree and broght it to home, then they made J20 coping F22, and also copy some F22 pictures from web, it is sad that they did it in that way.
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0.0Ladygagme 2 minutes ago Report Abuse
that plane is big enough to spot long distance. why didnt they just build a steath train?
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这飞机真大老远就能看到。他们干嘛不干脆造一个隐形火车？
0.0Aquila729 2 minutes ago Report Abuse
The Chi-Coms probably got the technology from the Clinton Administration.
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中共多半是从克林顿政府那儿弄来的技术。
0.0CARRIE 2 minutes ago Report Abuse
They sure know how to spend all the money they are pulling in from lost manufacturing jobs in the U.S don't they?
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他们真是知道要怎么花钱呢，那些钱都是通过剥夺美国制造业工作的方式赚来的。
Lord Vader 4 minutes ago Report Abuse
Never underestimate anyone. We should be mindful of the progress of this aircraft and it's capabilities. While some proceeding comments are true as to the Chinese and Russians coping technology, then why is the USA depending on the Russians to transport our astronauts to and from the ISS? A disturbing lack of vision on our part. We are no longer the "technological giants" we once were. A simple by-product of free trade agreements. They will be our un-doing.
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Ladygagme 4 minutes ago Report Abuse
in the religious realm God would probably have protected us years ago when the country was basically a decent country. now that we have descended, were going to be on our own as nations in the past have fallen to barbarians.
in the worlds realm, china needs food. we have it. they want it
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Last1out 5 minutes ago Report Abuse
They forgot to mention that the planes are made with inferior parts & that the pilots will go sterile & get lead poisoning from flying them.
More chines crap made by greedy men selling their own people out. & they call themselves communists.
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文中没提到这飞机是用低劣的零件造的。而且驾驶它的飞行员会失去生殖能力，并且铅中毒。
贪婪的人们造了更多的中国垃圾，并且害了他们自己人。然后他们还自称共产主义者。
Kinder 16 minutes ago Report Abuse
many years ago when iwas a kid,my mother said, china is the sleeping giant' some day they will come out of there dog house like a bull dog and attack any one they see or choose,this was in 1965,now its 2011,and the day is almost here,
BajaPaul 4 minutes ago Report Abuse
Great! Next we can start buying our Stealth Fighters from them. Just think about all the money we will save! Probably going
to be a lot cheaper than the $300 million each we are getting suckered out of on ours!
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TOM In NY 4 minutes ago Report Abuse
Who are the Chinese preparing to fight? India? Malaysia? Russia? WHO???
Surely not there biggest CUSTOMERS, the U.S.A. That would be economic suicide.
And what burning issues are they responding to with such expensive military hardware?
What issue do we have with China that treatens their existance? NONE?
So again, what is this all about? Any INTELLIGENT answers?
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01749 4 minutes ago Report Abuse
Don't fall for this crap. Our government just wants more money via our fears!!!!!
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别信这种傻话。我们的政府只是吓唬我们来要更多的钱！！！
0Dr. Bob 4 minutes ago Report Abuse
And to think our debt interest is footing the bill.......raise the debt ceiling so they can keep their program
progressing.....
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Yongli 8 minutes ago Report Abuse
Don't worry, J20 can't fly to US without refeul in the air.
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别怕，J20不空中加油是飞不到美国的。
Tom 8 minutes ago Report Abuse
all they had to do was hack our computers at the pentagon , they got specs on all our weapons. and i`m sure wiki-leaks has a
set too . just go ahead and put some more privates in charge of this kind of surcurity.
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BubbaHoTep 9 minutes ago Report Abuse
It will be nearsighted and short range...
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这飞机肯定又近视又短程。
Shane 10 minutes ago Report Abuse
Aren't you glad Barry cut our advanced weapons systems to hand out welfare to the banks?
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Barry削减了我们先进武器的预算，为了给银行福利。你们高兴不？
Douglas 10 minutes ago Report Abuse
Of course, now the Obama-bashers will, as some already have, claim that the Administration "isn't doing anything about this".
Pray tell, exactly WHAT do you want him to do, short of filling the skies with extremely expensive F-22s and F-35s (which
will necessitate either (a) raising taxes or (b) borrowing more from the Chinese to pay for them)?
And please don't start talking about preemptive strikes and nonsense like that, since you know that isn't going to happen in
the real world.
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Robert 11 minutes ago Report Abuse
We have all ready built the next generation and desinging the third
That thing is no fighter but need to keep a eye on it
Thanks GW and Cheney for wrecking economy and funding
United States Armed Forces pilots play second to know one
Who cares that China has this piece of tin.
just looks like a cheap copy of a F-22 ,Stolen ideas like the Russians were doing before.
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4.2Sparkinu 33 minutes ago Report Abuse
china is the #1 threat to world peace, it is apparent that they intend to provoke a war with us to get back the little island
called Tiawan
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中国是世界和平第一号威胁。很明显，他们打算挑起和我们的战争来夺回一个叫台湾的小岛。
The_angry_american 34 minutes ago Report
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@#$% all you want about liberal this & that. But while a conservative administration got us involved fighting a war in the
Middle East, & started us on the road to depleting our treasury, the Chinese got to work. The quality of the weapon's
fabrication is irrelevant if it's 'just good enough' to deliver a missle at your position. Russian gear isn't top notch
either, but they managed to put people in space using a garbage can & masking tape, & keep a space station in orbit far
longer than anything the ol' US threw up into orbit.
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Michael 36 minutes ago Report Abuse
I would agree, it is most likely a bomber, and its stealth technology is most likely only adiquate at best. The US had known
bout this for many years, which is why they have other flying aircraft in the arsenal we know nothing of. Trust me, the
chinese, though a greatly advancing world power, are still way behind in this department.
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Denny 40 minutes ago Report Abuse
hope it ruins their economy the same as our stupidly overpriced weapons has helped ruin ours
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希望这玩意儿能毁掉他们的经济，就像我们那些昂贵的武器毁掉我们的一样。
0.1James 40 minutes ago Report Abuse
not very stealthy if you can photograph it. let them have their fun we've got cloaking devices ....
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如果你都照相，那看来它不怎么隐形嘛。
让他们自己玩儿吧，我们可是有隐身装备……：）
0.0Jack S 41 minutes ago Report Abuse
Where where, wow thats good I didnt even see it.
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哪儿呢哪儿呢，哇～好先进我都没看到。
Bob 43 minutes ago Report Abuse
Our worst fears will be realized-China will take us over and force us all to learn to play cello! Next, they'll make our kids
excel academically. These monsters must be stopped!
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0.4Xiaoye 46 minutes ago Report Abuse
Please continue wishful china bashing, it only makes a chinaman proud!
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请继续你们一厢情愿的攻击中国吧。那只会让中国佬自豪！
3.5James 51 minutes ago Report Abuse
"The J-20 flew for about 15 minutes" Then it fell apart like all Chinese made Junk! Wonder when Wall of China Mart will be
getting a shipment of these?
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引用：“J20飞行了大约15分钟”
然后它就像其他中国垃圾一样空中分解啦！不知道啥时候沃尔玛特能买到一些呢？
7.6The Hun 52 minutes ago Report Abuse
Thanks to the Clintons and Loral Inc. they sold out to the Red Chines classified technology, for return of payments into the
election campain of Billy for his second term. That was Treason against the people of the US of A. Congress should look into
what was transfered To the Chines, and Billy Clinton should answer for his treacherous activity against his countrymen.
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2.1Rock Mathiot 52 minutes ago Report Abuse
Alright #1 This isn't a surprise to our gov't they have known they were making one for a while now!!!
#2 That thing what ever you may call it is most definitely NOT a fighter it might be stealthy but its way too big to be a
fighter!!! I can easily tell you right now that its a bomber not a fighter!
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3.6User 58 minutes ago Report Abuse
Impressive ... but if it's made in China .... to me it's nothing but a CHEAP knock-off.
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看起来很了不起……不过如果是中国造的，那对我来说不过是一个廉价拷贝而已。
3.4Mr. Ed 1 hour ago Report Abuse
Hard to see with all the smog, cough, cough.
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空气污染太严重看不清呢，我咳我咳……
10.6John M., American 1 hour ago Report Abuse
And Obama is sitting on his butt, flapping his jaws doing NOTHING as usual.
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而此时奥巴马像平常一样，坐的舒舒服服的，拍着脸啥也不干。
10.2Tony 1 hour ago Report Abuse
This is the best news the companies making the F-35 components could have gotten. Orders will go up, production will
increase, and we'll sell them to our allies overseas. This will also spur the next generation of stealth fighter development,
to ensure that we keep the edge. Not that I'm cynical or anything. That's just the way the game is played.
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1.3Rahul 1 hour ago Report Abuse
very nice, with new found pal-y pal-y relationship with a terrorist friendly pakistan... who knows what they are going to do
with all the technology.
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很好，他们跟同情恐怖分子的巴基斯坦关系密切……谁知道他们用这些技术会干出什么来。
1 hour ago Report Abuse
America: You gotta be more transparent about your military, dude
China: Ok, here's what we are building.
America: ...what the f? You trying to show off or something?
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6.7Chubby Cherub 1 hour ago Report Abuse
China will be the next Germany in Asia. That`s the way the world really works.
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中国会成为亚洲的下一个纳粹德国。这就是世界发展的趋势。
12.6Watchdog 1 hour ago Report Abuse
Do you still trust the Chinese govt??? They can and will steal anything they want with impunity. I refrain from purchases
that have the "made in China" label. It's hard because our own corporations continue to buy there.
Rest in peace uncle Sam..........your children sold out.
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你们还信任中国政府么？？？他们能够并且将会偷盗任何想要的东西，不受惩罚地。我将停止购买任何“made in china”的东西。很难，因为我们自己的公司都在那儿采购。
山姆大叔你安息吧……你的孩子们都被出卖了。
4.2Donald 1 hour ago Report Abuse
Looks more the size of a bomber
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看起来大小更象轰炸机。
16.23Dorj 1 hour ago Report Abuse
Congrats to China for this big step in the J-20 fighter. The world welcomes parity and balance, which will bring peace. After
the collapse of Soviet Union, America had a free hand and went on a war mongering spree, creating so much suffering in Iraq
and Afghanistan. China's rise is good for the world. The world needs China to check US war mongering. No more bogus lies to
invade other countries.
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10.1Big Ed Grissil 1 hour ago Report Abuse
Remeber this next time your in Walmart and Harbor Frieght-check the "made in labels"
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记住吧。下次去超市的时候，注意别买“made in china”
6.4Art 1 hour ago Report Abuse
Leave Gates over there...find him a job in some laundry.
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盖茨留在那边不用回来了……给他找个洗衣店的活儿干好了。
2.7Star_spangled_socialist 2 hours ago Report
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I heard take off was delayed because they had to tape blocks under the pilots shoes so he can touch the rudder pedals. Then
the batteries went dead and it took 5 hours with customer service to open the@#$%pit canopy. They recorded the call and
monitored it for caller quality in India and thus gave away all their state secrets. They don't care though, they make all
the USA's defence stuff now so they will just borrow our tech. hey, don't get mad, you supported NAFTA, now roll in it. -
Wikileaks
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13.3Noname 2 hours ago Report Abuse
US tax payers' money at work!
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美国纳税人的钱发挥作用了！
12.0Shawnee 2 hours ago Report Abuse
Imagine what could be accomplished if we had an international space effort instead of blowing money on these @#$% stealth
planes...the technology and energies of the US, China, and Russia need to find SOMETHING to work on together for the
betterment of this world instead of racing to find ways to destroy it.
One of these days, with the population, lack of fresh water, coming scarcity of oil and financial boondogles, we will all
have no choice...
course by then it'll be TOO LATE>...
译文导读：美国国防部长来华了，中国四代机升天了。很激动，为祖国的航空事业自豪，期盼早日为祖国航空航天事业做出贡献~！
这次盖茨的访问中国，在美国人民中也引发了讨论。很多美国网友指责奥巴马政府在外交上的不给力，很多网友认为中国越来越强大，四代机和弹道导弹使他们不按，很多美国网友认为购买中国制造的产品是个错误。总而言之，美国人认为自己应该反省了，美国政府同样被自己的子民骂的一文不值。。。
美国还是最强大了。路漫漫~~ BEIJING – The U.S. and Chinese defense chiefs took a step Monday toward mending frayed relations between their powerful militaries, though China warned ties could be cut again if Washington does not heed Beijing's wishes.
Military contacts are fewer and less substantive than U.S.-Chinese interaction in the economic, political and diplomatic arenas, and both nations wanted to put a better face on the military relationship ahead of a high-stakes visit to Washington by Chinese President Hu Jintao next week.
The agreement stops short of the robust cooperation sought by Washington, and China pointedly refused to promise that friction over U.S. arms sales to Taiwan might not interfere.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie agreed after a morning of talks Monday to broaden some of their fragile military contacts and to study ways that the two nations might build a more formal structure for future talks. They set up a working group to look at establishing the larger and more enduring framework Gates wants.
Gates said the two nations agreed that military ties should be "solid, consistent and not subject to shifting political winds," and he said he is sure that China's People's Liberation Army is behind the idea "as much as I am."
The sometimes hidebound PLA has resisted more regular contact out of apprehension or embarrassment, and Gates has said before that China's political leadership was quicker to see the value in better military ties with the United States.
The reluctance was evident Monday, despite Gates' optimism. The United States has been pressing China to give a firm date for the planned visit of China's chief of the Army general staff to Washington. Liang would not be pinned down, announcing only that a visit would happen sometime in the first half of 2011.
The agreement marks an end to a rocky year in which Beijing cut off defense ties with the United States over arms sales to Taiwan, the democratic island that China claims.
"On that, China's position has been clear and consistent," Liang said. "We are against it."
The arms sales "seriously damaged China's core interests, and we do not want to see that happen again," Liang continued.
"We hope that U.S. arms sales will not again and further disrupt," military ties or the overall relationship, Liang said.
Liang, an Army general, repeatedly warned that the United States should consider China's perspective.
“美对台军售严重伤害了中国，我们不想看到这再次发生。”梁光烈说。
“我们希望美国的军事不再继续，不要再危害双方的军事或整体关系”梁光烈说。
梁光烈，中国的将军，不断警告美国应该考虑中国的想法。
The two nations also agreed to wider cooperation in such noncombat areas as counterterrorism and counter-piracy operations.
The United States has argued that a more formal arrangement would benefit both nations and help avert crises. More formal contacts and cooperation, including joint exercises and training, might also make it less likely that China would walk out on the arrangement.
Gates' four-day trip to Beijing includes meetings with the top political and military leadership and a visit to a Chinese nuclear weapons base.
Both governments are trying to smooth over substantial friction over trade, North Korea's and Iran's nuclear programs and China's generally more assertive diplomatic posture.
A rapid build-up of the Chinese military has fueled perceptions of aggression, unnerved China's neighbors and caused Washington to insist Beijing more clearly explain its intentions.
China has made strides in building a new stealth fighter jet, and Washington is also concerned about a new ballistic missile that could theoretically explode a U.S. aircraft carrier nearly 2,000 miles (3,200 kilometers) out to sea. China has also apparently beaten U.S. estimates to develop that weapon.
Gates told reporters traveling with him to Asia on Sunday that China had the potential to "put some of our capabilities at risk."
"We have to pay attention to them. We have to respond appropriately with our own programs," Gates said.
At their news conference Monday, Gates and Liang denied their governments are entering an arms race. Liang, dressed in his military uniform, animatedly defended China's growing capabilities, calling them entirely appropriate and
consistent with China's rise as an economic and political power.
While both sides try to pave the way for a successful Hu-Obama summit, economics and politics also are aggravating strains between the world's superpower and the fast-rising new power.
Chinese trade data released Monday showed exports swelling nearly 18 percent in December and more than 30 percent for all 2010, though surging imports narrowed China's overall trade surplus. The still-high surplus is likely to add to pressure on the Obama administration to penalize Beijing for trade and currency policies that some economists and U.S. lawmakers call unfair.
A defense spending authorization signed by Obama on Friday wades into the fair-trade battle. The act effectively prohibits the Defense Department from buying solar panels made in China, a leading supplier, by requiring the Pentagon to purchase panels made in the United States or from countries that have joined an international trade agreement that Beijing has not signed.
The spending measure also orders Gates to come up with a plan to ensure secure U.S. access to critical elements known as rare earths that are crucial to some weaponry and other high-technology products. China is the world's biggest supplier but has restrained exports, citing environmental degradation from mining. Critics contend Beijing wants to drive up prices and demonstrate its control over vital commodities.
这份采购方案同时要求盖茨给出一个计划来保证美国能够获得一些关键元素——稀土，这对一些武器和其他高科技产品的制造至关重要。中国是世界上最大的稀土提供者，但目前已经限制了稀土出口，声称采矿导致了环境的恶化。评论家则认为北京这是要抬高稀土价格，并展示自己对必需品的控制能力。
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评论翻译 • Reality 15 minutes ago Report Abuse
Americans needs to come to their senses and start believeing "The bigger they were, the harder they are falling". They are no more the top dog. China is influential in every way, and by 2020, mark my word, China will be Superpower and the top dog. And US knows this. If US wants to retain its position, it needs to stop bullying other nations and mind it own business. Get the millary out of other nations. Simply said "THEY DID NOT INVITE YOU, THEY DONT NEED YOU, GO HOME AMERICANS, WHO MADE YOU THE POILCEMAN" and focus on improving your relationships with other nations and stop thinking of yourselves as something special. The world would be a better place if this nation was never discovered. Or never existed.
美国需要反思，他们已经不是龙头了。中国几乎在所有领域都有影响力，到2020年，中国将会是超级大国，引领世界。如果美国想要保持现在的地位，就必须停止欺负其他国家，从其他国家撤军，修复同其他国家的关系，正视自己。要是美国出来没存在过，世界该多美好~（我去！！这吐槽给力啊）
• Chris 40 minutes ago Report Abuse
When it comes to foreign policy, Obama is a child in a room full grown up. (Sorry Noble committee you picked the wrong guy) Heck if you think I Am wrong how many times has he sent his underlings to do his job.
在外交政策上，奥巴马就是个小孩。
• Playa Pan 1 hour ago Report Abuse
commie china has about 200 nuclear warheads in their arsenal
US has about 10,000+ nuclear wear heads in their arsenal
• Cesar 1 hour ago Report Abuse
I like chinese food anyway..............
无论如何，我喜欢中餐。。。。
• JaguarPaw 5 hours ago Report Abuse
The Chinese and Russians play Obama like a school boy .
中国和俄罗斯在调戏奥巴马。。。
• Captain America 6 hours ago Report Abuse
Will be interesting to see how Obama surrenders to the Chinese after having done so with the Russians.
很有兴趣看看奥巴马是怎么想中国投降，对了，他已经向俄罗斯投降了。
• ROBERT 11 hours ago Report Abuse
New talks will probably include, sorry but we are going to have to reduce our military, hopefully, that will not hinder Chinese development.
新的会谈将会包括，“不好意思，我们会裁军的，保证不会阻碍你们中国的发展”。。。
• Andy 15 hours ago Report Abuse
why are we (American) so stupid!!! When was the last time the Chinese Government keeps its promises? Never! Do not listen on what they are going to say, just look on how they do it! They will stab us on the back! Wake up Americans! Say No to China products, or they will take on our #1 economy in the year of 2019 (or 2022)!!!
为什么我们美国人这么愚蠢！！！中国政府什么时候守过承诺？从来没有！不要听他们胡扯，只要看看他们是怎么做到！他们会害死我们的，醒醒吧，美国人！对中国产品说不！
• JP 16 hours ago Report Abuse
The sleeping dragon has a woaken!
沉睡的巨龙已经醒了！
• WM 16 hours ago Report Abuse
China's army is huge, they now have the aircraft carrier killer bomb and the new stealth plane. This is all funded by China's outlet store - Walmart. The USA world leadership in military and economics is a thing of the past. I hope Americans like to play second fiddle...third fiddle ?
中国的军队很巨大，他们现在已经有隐形飞机了，这可是沃尔玛造出来的！（讽刺沃尔玛给中国带来了巨大的财富）。美国在军事和经济上的领先已经是过去了。
• No China 18 hours ago Report Abuse
People's Republic of China is a chief of Asia
No way, he is the thief of Asia
中华人民共和国不是亚洲的老大，是亚洲的贼！
• JC 18 hours ago Report Abuse
China is the one who broke the tie... and should be guilty of the act...
是中国自己破坏双方关系的吧。。
• stana 21 hours ago Report Abuse
Do you know about Chinese "Soft Power" ?
你们知道中国的“软实力”嘛？
• Mary Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:41 pm PST Report Abuse
China's rise and its military and economic policies are meant for China's benefit only, not as part of an international community of cooperative nations. Good luck getting the Chinese to stop digging into their heels. Again, the tail is wagging the dog, eh! We need to stopping buying anything that says "Made in China." That is the only way to negotiate with China.
中国的崛起以及他的军事和经济政策都是为中国自己利益服务的，而不是作为国际社会的一份子。我们不能再买中国制造的产品了，这是同中国交涉的唯一方法。（我怎么感觉就像中国人含制抵曰货一样，照样还是买）
• James Mon Jan 10, 2011 08:12 pm PST Report Abuse
China's issue is that while the civil government may want closer ties with the US, the Chinese army is under the command of the military who want to show the world how big their junk is. Hu Jintao needs to get his crew in order.
中国的问题是，当政府想要同美国拉近关系的时候，军方却不同意，胡*锦*涛需要控制军队！
• Stankus Mon Jan 10, 2011 01:19 pm PST Report Abuse
In 25 years, China will have ALOT more old people than young people - an inverted population pyramid.
25年后，中国将会有比年轻人更多的老年人，这是倒过来的人口金字塔~
• Jim Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:25 am PST Report Abuse
Robert Gate goes to China with three air Carrier Battle Groups, China answer him with the J20 stealth fighter, even an idiot knows that the result of this visit will be.
盖茨带着三个航空母舰战斗群来到中国，而中国用j20隐形战斗机开回应他。傻子都知道这次访问的结局了。
• Thomas Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:04 am PST Report Abuse
china does not run the world, neither does the U.S.
We should stop importing from china. We can make what we need.
While we have deployed troops all over the planet and spent billions doing so, china has just sat back and taken it easy, waiting for us to go bankrupt. Are our politicians that stupid?
中国没有控制世界，我们也是。我们应该停止从中国进口，我们可以生产我们需要的东西。当我们把军队部署在全世界的时候，中国啥都没做，只是等着我们破产。我们的政策怎么这么愚蠢？
• NathanG Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:32 am PST Report Abuse
Why do our militaries need to have a relationship. Are they going to get together to play softball or something?
为什么我们的军队需要中国的友谊？他们要一起打棒球嘛？
• BK Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:05 am PST Report Abuse
US more like China & China more like US.
美国越来越像中国了，中国越来越像美国了。
• Bret Mon Jan 10, 2011 09:32 am PST Report Abuse
everyone listens to micheal jackson's we are the world!!
put your weapons down and on your knees start praying to god maybe he will forgive us!!
每个人都应该听听迈克杰克逊的“we are the world”，放下武器，想上帝祈祷吧，或许他会原谅我们。
• JUBUSTER Mon Jan 10, 2011 09:12 am PST Report Abuse
US is spending on building Iraq, Afghinistan, Pakistan and India.
China is spending on building China.
美国人花钱建设伊拉克，阿富汗，巴基斯坦和印度，而中国花钱建设自己的国家
All I can say......is China,watch out what you wish for.And other Countries too.
我能说的就是,中国注意你想干啥啊,然后再想想其它国家的想法.
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WHY IS IT THAT THE COMMON FOLKS IN THIS COUNTRY CAN SEE THAT WE ARE MAKING CHINA THE NEW WORLD POWER WHILE PUSHING OUR COUNTRY FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD TO DESPAIR AND OUR SUPPOSED LEADERS ARE BLIND TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING? Ill tell you why,...GREED, GREED, AND MORE GREED. Our f#@ked up leaders are selling our country off. They dont care about anything but padding their OWN pockets and building their personal portfolios. They are stealing from us and giving everything to China who will one day conquer us. Americans, as a people need to stand up to our corrupt government and take back what is ours. There is strength in numbers.
为什么楼里的筒子门就是看不出来，我们在一边创造中国这个世界强权，以便把我们自己的国家推向谷底。大多数人被我们那个所谓的领导人和他的所作所为给蒙蔽了。我告诉你们。贪婪~贪婪！贪婪！！。我们的SB领袖正在出卖我们的国家。他们啥都不关心除了填满他们自己的钱包搞他们自己的投资。他们把从我们这里偷的都卖给了中国---哪个说不定哪天会征服我们的国家！美国人民，站起来反对我们///腐///败///不堪的///政府拿回属于我们的东西吧！数量就是力量！！
The majority of this country are hurting while the minority are massing ever larger fortunes. I used to have faith that our president would help fix this problem, but Ive come to the conclusion that he is just too wet behind the ears. He needs to stand up like a man and fight for us like he said he would, but all he does is bend over and take it in the a__ like the rest of us.
在这国家大多数人受损失而少数人获得巨大利益。我曾相信我们的总统能够搞定这个问题，但是我发现他丫就是个软耳根子，它应该像个男人那样站起来为入他保证的那样我们而战，
但是他所做的和我们大多数人一样只会躲在后边挨插（take in the ass）。。。
OBAMA, you promised to fight for us!!! STOP TALKING SO MUCH AND STAND BY YOUR WORD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR STEP ASIDE AND LET SOMEONE ELSE WHO WILL!!!
奥黑你保证为我们而战，别光说那么多了，遵守你的诺言把为美国人服务，或者站一边去让别人来！
We, the American people cant take it, anymore. Were losing our jobs to others over seas. What next? Are they going to move into our homes that are being taken away from us?
我们，美国人，忍不了了。海对岸的家伙已经夺走我们的工作，下一步呢？他们会搬进我们被夺走的家么！！！
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这是一个人的评论好长啊。。。。
Man thats a big mutha stealth fighter! I guess its a good thing that Mao burned all the books, and destroyed the Chinese peoples real technology! Then they might not just be playing catch-up! Do any of you Nazi Republicans out there understand that there might never have been a space shuttle if the Chinese had never invented rockets? Most people in China think that the government is out to lunch. But in most ways they seem to do a better job than our democratically elected government, mostly because of the damage that Bush inflicted on the US! Wake up Repubtards! The US is not the center of the universe, and your misguided fascism is not helping us to fix any of the real problems!
哥们，那是个大马力的隐形飞机，我猜毛坟书坑技术是件好事。这样才是他们赶我们！你们这些纳。。粹共和党知道么，如果中国没有火箭就不会有航天飞机（指责共和党卖技术给中国：译者）。许多中国人认为美国政府是由我们美国人民掌握的。但是他们的政府比我们的民选政府各种强力,大多是因为布什对美国造成的伤害。醒来吧，共和裆！美国不是宇宙中心，你的变形法西斯主义完全帮不了我们国家
国内五毛出国找公平自由了
True man Thu Jan 06, 2011 06:01 pm
Do not be so nervous！I am a Chinese student. I want to tell you that we do not have the intention or ability to be the adversary of the US. Most of the Chiese people are so hate the Communist Party that they even welcome the UN armed forces to liberate us. Please pay more attention to the miserable Chinese people.
I still say youre wrong. Go read up on the latest issue of Foreign Policy magazines about what it says are inevitable (the decline of the U.S, and the rise of China)..
我想说你错了,去看看近期的外刊都说了些什么-----美国走向衰落,中国正在崛起.势不可挡!
Re Houston
Totally wrong! I am a Chinese student living in China now, but not a Christian..
Jeff:
Im a Chinese. Im not miserable. I think you are miserable. Oh. plese, dont be. Please be happy to live as a second class citizen in the USA..
我是个中国人,我不悲惨!我想你才是悲惨的那一个(针对该精英的第一条发言说的),祝你在美国作为一个二等公民而快乐生活.(看贴不仔细,此精英没出国,人家说啦他是个目前生活在中国的学生.)
Re jeff: Yep, may be you are a wumao and I am a @#$%izen..
JY回复: 或许你是个五毛,我是...(米国人看得懂五毛吗?)
Archery Chan :forget him, must be a JYer from Tianya..
别理他,搞不好是个来自天涯的JY.(哈哈哈哈...这个回复很搞笑.)
译文导读：费加罗报上对黑丝的首飞只发了法通社的一条快讯，快讯中黑丝被称为轰炸机(bombardier)，但也被称为战斗机(chasseur)。没有很多评论，主要就是酸。但是黑丝上天，没有法国人民的酸也挺遗憾的，特此翻译，作为庆贺。Premier vol du bombardier furtif chinois
AFP
11/01/2011
Un avion de combat présenté comme le premier bombardier furtif chinois a effectué son vol inaugural, confirmant ainsi les rapides progrès dans sa conception, selon des photographies publiées aujourd'hui par la presse officielle.
Ce baptême de l'air de l'avion furtif J-20 intervient alors que le secrétaire américain à la Défense, Robert Gates, se trouve à Pékin pour tenter de raccommoder les relations militaires entre les deux puissances.
Des photos de l'avion J-20, évoluant au-dessus de la province du Sichuan, ont été publiées par les sites Internet du quotidien Global Times et de l'agence Chine nouvelle.
Le chasseur au fuselage profilé a effectué un vol d'une quinzaine de minutes avant de se poser sans problème apparent, selon des témoins cités dans des articles de presse.
Un porte-parole de la diplomatie chinoise, sans confirmer explicitement le programme de bombardier furtif chinois, a estimé aujourd'hui "normal" que la Chine modernise son armée.
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评论翻译skixf
15 minutes de vol, c' est FURTIF assurément !
Le 11/01/2011 à 10:57 Alerter Répondre
只飞了15分钟，当然隐形喽！
christophe973
Manifestement, il n'est pas si furtif que cela...!
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:01 Alerter Répondre
很明显，它可没有那么隐形……！
therealtruth
c'est beau le progrès technique dans ce domaine. Comme en économie, pour les pruneaux on ne verra rien venir. Bonne année 2011 à tous !!!
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:03 Alerter Répondre
这个领域的技术发展真漂亮。就像经济，军火我们也没啥好指望的。祝大家2011年好！！！
Ladislas002
Mais à qui les chinois ont-ils bien pu voler les plans de ce nouvel avion furtif ? Car ne nous y trompons pas tout comme l'URSS de la grande époque, ils n'investissent pas dans la recherche mais s'emparent par l'espionnage économique partout dans le monde de toutes les avancées technologiques, créées par les autres au prix fort, sans lesquelles si le pillage continue ( Renault chez nous en est le dernier exemple patent et visible! ) et si nous ne nous protégeons pas nous finirons par être relégués dans l'arrière-cour des nations du monde ! Luttons avec force et détermination contre cela l'avenir de nos enfants et petits-enfants en dépend ! Ne jouons pas les autruches plus longtemps. La guerre économique est depuis longtemps commencée, la Chine l'amplifie de jour en jour et cette guerre doit être considérée comme une vraie guerre dont nous devons punir implacablement les auteurs complices actifs français ou étrangers et instituer un délit de traîtrise punissable de mort ! A ce prix sera notre survie ! La 3ème guerre mondiale continue de plus belle !
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:08 Alerter Répondre
中国人又从谁那里偷来了隐形飞机图纸？我们别被迷住了，就像当年牛皮烘烘的苏联，他们不在研究方面投资，却专用经济间谍在世界各地盗窃所有由别人耗费巨资研制的先进技术。要是这样的掠夺继续下去（我们雷诺公司的事情是最近的明显的例子！）（译注：最近法国媒体上一大话题是中国盗窃了雷诺公司的电动汽车技术），而我们不能保护自己，我们就会被甩到世界各民族的最后！要对此坚定猛力地反抗，因为这取决我们子孙的命运！不要再当鸵鸟了。经济战争很久前就开始了，中国一天接一天地将它扩大。这场战争应被看做是真正的战争，我们要严厉地处罚不管是法国的还是外国的同谋，设立可处死刑的叛国罪！我们要幸存就得付出这代价！第三次世界大战正如火如荼！
ChristipheM
savez-vous qu'aujourd'hui, la Chine dispose du train le plus rapide au monde alors que leur train ne roulaient pas plus de 120h/km il y a 5 ans, et l'ordinateur le plus rapide au monde alors quil n’était même pas sur le top 10 il y a 18 mois. pense vous vraiment que La Chine a besoin de voler les Europeeen du plan de la Rafale de 4ème génération pour construire l'avion du 5ème generation. d'ailleurs, il faut être naïf pour penser que les industriels ne se volent pas entre eux, vous vivez dans un monde de ouioui? sur le plan de la voiture électrique, la Chine se place deja au premier range sur le plan technologie tout comme dans "the Green Economies". réveillez-vous, mon cher!!
Le 11/01/2011 à 23:47 Alerter Répondre
（回复Ladislas002）您知道吗，中国今天有世界上最快的列车，而5年前他们的列车最多只开120公里/小时，他们还有世界上最快的计算机，而 18个月前他们都不在前10名。您真以为中国有必要偷欧洲的第四代阵风的图纸，为的是造一架第五代的飞机？再说啦，要以为工业集团间不互相偷来偷去，那就幼稚了，您不会是生活在童话故事里吧？至于电动汽车，中国在这方面就像在“绿色经济”上那样，处在最先的行列。醒醒吧，亲爱的！！
Galathilion
Ils trouvent normal de moderniser leur armée, ce qui est probablement le cas, mais anormal que les autres s'en inquiètent. Quand on est une dictature, qu'on réagit assez violemment dans la rhétorique dès qu'on est critiqué, qu'on cultive la haine et le ressentiment envers le Japon par une exploitation et une exagération de l'histoire et des massacres horribles qui ont effectivement eu lieu au lieu de chercher à apaiser ses relations, il est assez normal de s'inquiéter de cela il me semble.
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:08 Alerter Répondre
他们觉得他们军队的现代化是正常的，也许是这样，但是别人为此担心就不正常吗。作为一个独裁政权，别人一批评就以言词剧烈反击，对历史和可怕的大屠杀（这些都的确发生过）进行利用和夸张，来培植对日本的仇恨，而不是试图去改善两国关系，我觉得为此而担心也是正常的。
BIJOLE
Et encore de la technologie volée aux autres/ les chinois vont piller le monde,,
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:23 Alerter Répondre
又是从别人那里偷来的技术/ 中国人抢掠世界，，
smithose
Retour de manivelle, les européens ont bien profité des chinois, et grâce aux chinois et leurs fameuse poudre à canon, les européens ont pu conquerir le monde ....
Le 11/01/2011 à 16:45 Alerter Répondre
（回复BIJOLE）风水轮流转，欧洲人还不是用了不少中国东西，中国的火药曾让欧洲人征服世界……
jp195191
Lors de mon premier vol , j'ai connu une bombe asiatique. Je confirme, ce fût furtif mais intense.
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:26 Alerter Répondre
我第一次乘飞机时，就碰上个亚洲肉弹。我得说，很隐蔽但很热烈哦。
ML004
C'est pour mieux survoler les centres de recherches étrangers ?
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:33 Alerter Répondre
这是为了能够更好地从外国研究中心上飞过去吗？
Troiscent Savage
La Chine a encore du retard face à la Corée du Nord.... les avions sont furtifs depuis des decennies : lorsque le pilote passe en mode furtif, un signal est envoyé à tous les commissaires politiques du secteur et ils ordonnent à la population locale de ne pas voir ni entendre l'avion... D'ailleurs, ils appliquent la même méthode avec absolument tout le reste : ils ont aussi des trains furtifs, des camions furtifs, des autos furtives... et depuis toujours, des idées furtives... même la bouffe est furtive là bas.... c'est dire leur avancée technologique !
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:37 Alerter Répondre
中国还是落后于北韩……那里自几十年来飞机就隐形啦：一切换到隐形模式，所有地方政治官员就接到通知，他们就命令当地老百姓不许看也不许听飞机飞过……另外，其他的事情也用同样方法：所以他们有隐形火车，隐形卡车，隐形汽车……自从那以后，还有隐形思想……那边甚至连吃的都是隐形的……他们的技术先进吧！
langthang
Bien trouvé! Bravo§
Le 11/01/2011 à 14:00 Alerter Répondre
（回复BIJOLE）说对啦！真棒！
Carlos14
Carlos 14: Avion furtif pour ceux qui y croient.Certains détails de sa structure laissent penser le contraire.
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:46 Alerter Répondre
谁愿意相信是隐形的就信吧。飞机结构某些细节让人觉得恰恰相反。
Verdi12
Je vous le promets, dans dix ans, ils auront racheté l'Europe et nous leur mangerons dans la main, à genoux !!
Le 11/01/2011 à 11:54 Alerter Répondre
我肯定地说，十年里面他们会买了欧洲，我们都得跪着在他们手里讨食吃！！
DavidMagnan
ce ne sera pas dans 10 ans, on leur mange déja dans la main...
Le 11/01/2011 à 12:44 Alerter Répondre
（回复Verdi12）哪用十年，如今我们已经在他们手里讨食吃了……
El canson
Il y a même des photos "furtives" de cet avion !
Le 11/01/2011 à 12:10 Alerter Répondre
这飞机还有“隐形”照片呢！
Datura
Il serait pas équipé de moteurs Renault leur navion par hasard?
Le 11/01/2011 à 12:46 Alerter Répondre
这飞机装的不会是雷诺发动机吧？
fh49
A tous ceux qui accusent la Chine de vol d'informations, il semblerait que vous oubliez que la France est considérée comme la plus grande menace en Europe sur ce point, il y a même eu un article il y a quelques jours dans le figaro. Notre rafale est lui-même issu d'informations volées aux russes qui ont fait gagner 20 ans d'avancée technologique à la France. Ouvrez vos yeux, tout le monde vole !
Le 11/01/2011 à 12:54 Alerter Répondre
回所有指控中国盗窃技术的，看来你们是忘了，法国被看做是这方面欧洲最大的威胁，几天前费加罗报上甚至有一篇这方面的文章（译注：这文章我恰好也在PTF上翻译了）。我们的阵风本身就利用了从俄国人那里偷来的信息，这让法国赢得了20年的技术发展时间。睁眼看看吧，谁都偷！
therealtruth
'tout le monde vole', les hommes et un peu moins les oiseaux en ce moment (AR, LA, Suède, ...) car eux parfois, contrairement à nous, ils s'arrêtent de voler. Ce monde va de plus en plus à vol-Haut !!!
Le 11/01/2011 à 13:47 Alerter Répondre
（回复fh49）“谁都偷”，这个时代人偷可鸟不偷（AR,LA,瑞典……），因为他们不像我们，他们不偷了。这个世界可越来越偷得高啦！！！（译注：这是个双关语，‘偷’和‘飞’在法语中是同一个词）
El canson
Bravo de croire tout ce que l'on raconte à ce sujet. Vous ne seriez pas"Français" par hazard ?
Le 11/01/2011 à 16:49 Alerter Répondre
（回复fh49）您可太强了，谁讲些啥都信。您不会是个“法国人”吧？
Troiscent Savage
（回复fh49）Des infos volées aux russes et pouf ! 20 ans d'avance..... Mouais.... le Rafale date de 1986, et niveau technologie, les soviétiques (oui, on les appelait comme ça à l'époque, mais je parle d'un temps que les moins de vingt ans...) étaient au top des mauvaises bonnes idées et avaient un certain temps d'avance dans les catastrophes majeures (surtout niveau nucléaire...) Quand on s'intéresse un peu à l'aéronautique de combat, s'il est indéniable que la Rafale est un bel oiseau, il est flagrant que son concept a plusieurs decennies de retard : on ne conçoit pas un équipement de combat comme on conçoit un camion multitâches de la DDE... sauf quand on nomme un comptable comme chef de projet.... et pour ça en France, nous sommes inimitables... et inimités d'ailleurs... Ouvrez les yeux vous aussi, ces 80 dernières années, la France a "exporté" ses idées vers les "démocraties populaires progressistes" par le biais de sympathisants communistes (plus par conviction que par appat du gain au passage), ne serait-il pas plausible que cela continue ?
Le 11/01/2011 à 17:56 Alerter Répondre
（回复fh49）从俄国人那里偷来的信息，切！赢得了20年……可……阵风是1986年的，技术方面嘛，苏联（对，那时候他们叫这个名字，我讲的是比20年以内的事情更远的……）是最有超好馊主意的，在重大事故方面领先（尤其是核能领域……）。要是对军事航空有点兴趣的，都看得出阵风的确是架好飞机，可很明显它的设计落后了几十年：设计军事装备可不该像DDE（译注：法国设计民用装备的机构）设计多功能卡车那样……除开叫了一个会计师去主持项目……这点我们法国别人可学不像……别人也不会去学……睁开您的眼睛瞧瞧，这80年以来，法国把她的技术出口到“人民民主进步”的国家去，就因为同情共产党那帮人的偏心（不是因为信仰坚定，而是因为受了一点甜头的引诱），这么下去还有啥信得过的借口吗？
fh49
Je ne doute pas des capacités du rafale, qui fait sans doute partie des meilleurs avions en service, mais les MIG, sukhoi et autres ont, il faut le dire, toujours été source de fascination et de crainte pour le monde et les français en particulier. Vous êtes naïf de croire que la France a créé son rafale "toute seule", je le dis et répète, tout le monde vole des infos ! Arrêtez donc tous de croire qu'en France on est les meilleurs, on ne fait jamais rien de mal, tout le monde il est beau il est gentil. En réponse à l'autre commentaire, non je ne suis pas "français", en tout cas pas dans mon cœur, et c'est pas plus mal.
Le 11/01/2011 à 22:14 Alerter Répondre
（回复Troiscent Savage）我不怀疑阵风的能力，它也许是正在服役的战机中最好的之一。但是米格，苏霍和其他的，我们也得说，总在世界上引起的惊叹和恐惧，尤其是法国人。您要是以为是法国“独自”研制出阵风就太幼稚了，我再说一遍，谁都偷信息！不要再相信在法国我们最好，我们从来不做坏事，大家都英俊潇洒心地善良。回复另一个留言，不，我不是“法国人”，至少我心底里不是，这并不是最坏的。
JessBond
Aujourd'hui on est plus proche d'un démonstrateur que d'un réel prototype. Ils testent une formule aérodynamique très inspirée des F22 et F35 américains. Mais c'est une coquille vide, sans la moindre électronique digne d'un avion de 5eme génération. Mise en service éventuelle : 2020 ou plus ?
Le 11/01/2011 à 12:55 Alerter Répondre
这架飞机只是演示性质的而不是真正的原型机。他们测试的是很接近美国F22和F35的气动性质。这只是个空壳，没有任何配得上5代飞机的电子设备。可能的装备时间：2020或者更迟？
therealtruth
Le vol des plans Renault a lui aussi été furtif !!!
Le 11/01/2011 à 13:37 Alerter Répondre
雷诺的图纸偷起来也很隐形！！！
bv36
notre croyance est furtive !
Le 11/01/2011 à 14:49 Alerter Répondre
我们的信念是隐形的！
coincoin canardo
Pendant ce temps, des paysans chinois profitent d'un accès très furtif au progrès.. mais bon,évidement, il y a des priorités..
Le 11/01/2011 à 16:25 Alerter Répondre
就在这个时候，中国农民们享受发展带来的利益也很隐形……可是好吧，当然啦，事有轻重缓急……
Ah oui ?
@ coincoin canardo : ce que vous dites est faux. La reussite de la Chine notamment en matiere de lutte contre la pauvrete est, a ce jour, sans precedent dans l'histoire universelle. Des representants de l'ONU l'ont salue dernierement.
Le 11/01/2011 à 18:00 Alerter Répondre
（回复coincoin canardo）回coincoin canardo：您说的并不对。在对抗贫困方面，中国今日取得的成功尤其突出，是史无前例的。联合国代表曾为此向他们致敬。
ChristipheM
Quand je m'appelle que il n'y a même pas une semaine, beaucoup entre nous croient que le j-20 c'est du pipo et que Bill gate pense que la China n'aura pas de l'avion du 5eme génération avant 2018. la Chine nous dépasse de plus en plus, pendant nos jeunes ne rêvent que de la retraite avant 60 ans. où va la France avec des mensonge auto satisfaisant et des yeux bandé sur le monde en croyant que l'on est tjrs le champion du monde..
Le 11/01/2011 à 23:35 Alerter Répondre
我记得还不到一星期前，我们中的许多人以为j-20只是吹牛，比尔·盖茨（译注：这里写错名字了）认为中国在2018年前不会有第五代飞机。中国越来越超过我们，而我们的年轻人还梦想着60岁前退休。法国对着世界蒙着眼睛在老子天下第一的自我满足的谎言中还要走多远……
Zikfr
Vous avez bien dit. "la France avec des mensonge auto satisfaisant et des yeux bandé sur le monde en croyant que l'on est tjrs le champion du monde" J'ai vecu en France pendant 6 ans, suis tout a fait d'accord sur ce que vous disez. C'est le temps de se reveiller pour les francais.
Le 12/01/2011 à 07:37 Alerter Répondre
（回复Verdi12）您说得好，“法国对着世界蒙着眼睛在老子天下第一的自我满足的谎言”我在法国生活了6年，完全同意您说的。是法国人醒醒的时候了。
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